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Re: Too much?

Postby doyle and mollie » Sat Jan 03, 2009 2:01 pm

thanks sophie we enjoy the blog as record of doyle im forever amazed at just how fast hes grown and all the great times we have

a few more thoughts that may help

where do you feed baxter... that could be important as puppys need to learn to associate things with different places - they want things to be separated, eg they dont really want to eat or poo where they sleep - i see some stairs in your lounge (fab place by the way) where do they lead? could that be a toilet spot? wheres your laundry? is that a space you could start using? im thinking the stairs could be handy cos iif you see him going down or standing at the top of them its a signal to you?

i hate to say it but i also think his sleeping crate could be too small... emma or others who use them what do you think?? maybe you could place that one in the bedroom with the door open as a wee sanctuary for him at night and replace the lounge one with a pen? or something more open and spacious that way he will feel more involved and can interact with you more. cant say it enough but socialising is SO SO important at his age and i know youre doing your best but it would be nice to see a pic of him with you guys playing on the couch
or running around your great lounge.

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Re: Too much?

Postby Sophie Schaaf » Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:16 pm

o and is that the doggie park in grey lynn or around that area?

We normally feed Bax in the Kitchen which as you can see is about 10m away from his loo but started feeding him in his crate, so people say this is good because he gets more positive associations with it that way.

The stairs make sense but downstairs are two of our bedrooms where we take him at night and our ensuite we also have a pad in for when he wakes in the middle of the night

our laundry is located in the children's bathroom also downstairs

His crate is quite big he only uses up about 1/3 as we have a divider so that there isn't enough room for him to go toilet in it and sleep in a separate part.

I never realized i didn't have any pics of us playing with him how strange

you mentioned something about is toilet looking like his crate because it had a pen around it which is something i can try have you ever heard of a dog using a littler tray? I also like the idea of having a mini outside lawn (really expensive from my searches) would the dirt get washed over the balcony when it rains do you think?

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Re: Too much?

Postby sl_simpson » Sat Jan 03, 2009 4:15 pm

Hi Sophie

Sorry this is rather a looong reply but hopefully of some help.

I agree with Doyle and just have a tray in the bathroom no create walls, as I think it is a bit confusing for Baxter.  Also  more ideal to have it out on the Balcony.  Why no access to balcony?
What is the balcony screened off with i.e type of balustrading glass panels or aluminium vertical bars etc... ?  What the size of gaps if any at the side, bottom and between vertical bars?

I have what they call a Petloo for Casey and he took to it really well.  I wish I had it for Bella when she was a pup.  It is a synthetic grass mat with drainage holes and is placed over a collection tray.  I have it in the garage by a ranchslider that leads to the back yard (placed by the door so that he gets the idea that it's sort of outside) he has always gone when outside without much promting.  I had used the garage initally with his create on the occassions when I had to leave him at home and contained in an area when he was younger.
When he was at work with me, I had him gated off in a 3m x 3m room and another loo which was extra peice of the grass mat on an oversized cat littler tray lined underneath with paper towels, set up in one corner and his bed in the opposite corner. The whole setup worked really well.  I beleive he was a lot easier and quicker to toilet train with this petloo.
The Pet Loo is ideal for apartment living with pets.  Sold through Animates stores.
It is not cheep though.  
An alternative is to purchase just the synthetic grass mat that they sell for it and use another tray, lined it with handee towels and then the grass mat over (only the synthetic grass mat they have as it has the drainage holes).  Its a little more work than the complete system but still does the trick. Have an extra grass mat so on can be wash out and dried on the balcony on a regular basis.

Here is the web site to check out
http://www.thepetloo.com/nz/general_info.html

Which room to you leave him created in during the day?
Just a thought.  For daytime creating and access to toilet area.
The room off the kitchen that leads to the Bathroom, would it be possible to use that as the play area and screen it off ( child fencing with gate type of thing at least 1m high) so he carn't get out into the kitchen?  That would allow him more room to move and be restricted from the rest of the Apartment when you are way.  The create could be put in there for his sleeping, thus allowing him access to the bathroom as well.  I would use the room set up until he is at least 5 or 6 months old or when he is using the right toilet area (not soiling any where else) and he has stopped chewing on anything else.  ;)

The area would need to be puppy proofed i.e cables and anything you don't want chewed to be moved or out of reach.  
Leave him with maybe a kong type toy or a teething toy that is hard to chew up.  I would watch out for the soft toys and softer plastic ones, as they can chew them apart really well and you would not want them to swollow any peices while away.

Just some thoughts hope they help :)

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Re: Too much?

Postby Sophie Schaaf » Sat Jan 03, 2009 5:19 pm

Thanks so much sl_simpson that petloo sounds fantastic i think we look at that when buying all the puppy necessities but after spending several hundred dollars we thought it was a bit of a luxury.

the reason we don't give him access to the balcony is because we are on the 14th floor and the rails are made from glass with a rather large gap *see below.

our top level is really just one large room which is why sectioning it off gets tricky i originally had him in the kitchen area with his pen attached to his crate and a pad on the lino while i was at work for a couple of hours but because we been on holiday we have the crate in the lounge.

not sure what to do when i  go back to work for a week

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Re: Too much?

Postby Sandy » Sat Jan 03, 2009 8:05 pm

hi baxter is so cute. He looks just look maddy did at that age.  If fact my husband thought it was  a picture of maddy. I agree with bella that using a crate for toilet might not be best idea. I have seen dog toilet that has like false grass on it. It's designed for indoors. Not sure of cost. :)
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Re: Too much?

Postby Emma » Sat Jan 03, 2009 8:14 pm

Check out these - i searched on google tonight for you Sophie.  I will keep looking and post anymore links if I find any:)

http://www.petpost.co.nz/index.cfm/page ... he+Pet+Loo

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Re: Too much?

Postby Sandy » Sat Jan 03, 2009 8:19 pm

Oop I missed page 2.  Getting dozy in my old age. Seems everyone else had same thought as me. Know what you mean about cost at start not cheap to set up and my husband keeps complaining that she still costs a fortune. Calls her million dollar dog. I'm sure I dont spoil her that much. LOL  :D
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Re: Too much?

Postby Sophie Schaaf » Sat Jan 03, 2009 8:28 pm

Check out these - i searched on google tonight for you Sophie.  I will keep looking and post anymore links if I find any:)

http://www.petpost.co.nz/index.cfm/page ... he+Pet+Loo



wow check out that price  :o i think it makes sense though and may make it easier if we ever move to a suburban property with GRASS (oh i miss grass sometimes)

thank you everyone I really appreciate it.

I will do anything to make sure we have a happy home he's the most gorgeous little boy my heart melts every time he looks at me  :D
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Re: Too much?

Postby Emma » Sat Jan 03, 2009 9:01 pm

Ha ha check out this one I found!! Sorry I am taking this very seriously but had to show you this!! I'm still looking Sophie :)

http://www.patiopark.com/

Oh here you go - here is a cheaper one

http://www.doggienews.com/2006/02/pup-h ... -potty.htm
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Re: Too much?

Postby doyle and mollie » Sat Jan 03, 2009 9:14 pm

my votes for the deluxe model with a hydrant & canopy bax is 14 floors up and will need all the privacy he can get he he - good work emma i think this could be an answer... maybe the cheaper model but sophie believe me i hate to think of the $$$ we spent in the first few months setting doyle up - but its probably the best money ive ever spent...
this could be a good solution - talk/write to you tomorrow and remember the thing that baxter needs the most at the moment is a pack leader that can help show him the way! be strong ok  :-*

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Re: Too much?

Postby Sophie Schaaf » Sat Jan 03, 2009 9:15 pm

Ha ha check out this one I found!! Sorry I am taking this very seriously but had to show you this!! I'm still looking Sophie :)

http://www.patiopark.com/

Oh here you go - here is a cheaper one

http://www.doggienews.com/2006/02/pup-h ... -potty.htm


Oh MY! have a look at these
http://www.petsugar.com/1881204
http://www.bornrich.org/entry/sunspa-ta ... -for-pets/

$619,322 dog house now come on please!
http://www.bornrich.org/entry/£250000-doghouse-complete-with-spa-and-52-inch-plasma-tv-not-a-dogs-life-anymore/

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Re: Too much?

Postby doyle and mollie » Sat Jan 03, 2009 9:25 pm

only the best for our boys... [smiley=MSN-Emoticon-applause-004.gif]

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Re: Too much?

Postby amymac » Sun Jan 04, 2009 12:20 am

Haha. I have been laughing at the wonderful dog potties.  :o

Very sensible suggestions from everyone. I am adding my two cents worth even though I feel silly because it is usually me asking 1 million and one questions.

With the crating - we had a similar size crate but didn't use a divider. We asked Nicola our breeder if our crate was too big and she said it was fine. Riley has only ever peed in it a couple of times which was our fault because he was in a different room from us and we didn't hear him wake up in the morning. We felt really ashamed of ourselves for letting that happen.  I think you would be fine to let him have the whole crate.

For toilet training in general I think you need to let him out of the crate more during the day. I think it will be hard for Baxter to learn to walk to his toilet area if he is confined - he will feel like he needs to go but not be able to get there. Also Riley never whines to get out of his crate to go toilet - the only way we know he is ready to get up and go in the morning is if he is awake. He is a very quiet wee pup. It sounds like Baxter may be similar if he is wetting the crate as he has not been able to let you know he wants to go.

One thing you could try would be to put Baxter on a lead attached to your hip and let him follow you around the house all day. You will be in close proximity to notice any signs he may wish to go toilet. Like Baxter, Riley gives very few signs. But if he on a lead with you at least you can interrupt him really quickly and take him to his pad (or new flash diamante dog potty  ;) ). You are most likely going to have a few accidents along the way but the accidents are almost necessary for learning. Just remember NOT to give Baxter a standing ovation if he does go in the wrong place ie don't scream and holler if he pees on the carpet. Just interrupt him; calmly take him to his pad and then reward him once he has gone. The other thing is you can take him frequently to his toilet pad and treat him when he goes - I suggest every half to one hour at first.

I'm not sure whether feeding in the crate is beneficial. We feed Riley out of the crate because it is one of our best training times. Riley learned sit within 5 days and after that always sat for his meal. he then learnt stay in one day and must sit and stay for meals. we can leave food in front of him now for a good minute (obviously we dont generally make him wait that long) with him sitting at attention and he will only touch it when we say okay. When Riley got possessive with his toys we then taught him to sit and wait to pick up his toys. So I recommend using his feed as a great way to teach Baxter impulse control which will carry over to lots of areas.

I agree with the other ladies who recommend puppy class. Some basic commands will also help with impulse control including biting eg when Riley mouths we say sit and it stops instantly.

My final word is very Cesar Millan. Dogs pick up on their owners energy. I am a highly strung, anxious type individual. This has helped me acheive heaps of things in life HOWEVER - it also led to me having a highly strung mouthy, nippy dog. I don't think its an accident that this is the one trait I would find absolutely unacceptable in a dog. So just be prepared for your dog to push your buttons.  If your focus is on having a clean carpet then I reckon you will end up with a messy one because that is the way your energy is directed - even though it is negative energy. I don't know whether other people agree with that? Perhaps I am getting too philosophical.
I am really just saying to try and relax.

Enjoy your pup. If you want to come have a play date anytime with Riley send me a message. ;D

Love this forum -  its a fabulous place to get advice. Thanks to everyone who has answered my numerous questions previously.

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Re: Too much?

Postby Emma » Sun Jan 04, 2009 6:38 am

Ok so the woman in England has got me thinking - maybe I will call my brother who's a builder and see what we can do :)

On a much smaller scale though - Coco is no Great Dane after all..ha ha ha ha

I don't think she is into Diamante's - not really a girly girl my Coco  ;D

Although I am making light of the situation I am taking this seriously guys - I agree with what everyone is saying and it is great that we have all been able to pull together and hopefully this is all helping Sophie :)

One little thing that I would do is put a blanket over top of his crate (you might be doing this anyway and only took it off to show the crate in the pic).  I put a blanket over Coco's which makes it really really cosy like a den.  It also makes it look more like a little house than a cage.  

I know this won't help with the toilet training but will make it a nice and cosy spot for your little guy  ;)
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Re: Too much?

Postby Tallulah » Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:37 pm

Hi Spohie, I won't be a huge help as we never crated our dogs so I don't have any experience of how to do things that way.
But for toilet training Bb, we also lived in an apartement type building. We had to run down 2 flights of steps to get outside and that was after getting out of the house!

We found that if we played or he ate then he weed pretty soon after that so always ran downstairs with him then. He also learned to associate the door we left through as where to go when he needed so as he got older he went to that door and gave a bark.

We never gave him into trouble when he did go inside, but huge praise when he went outside.
It was a very frustrating time and one I wasn't sorry to see the back of! I have no idea how much kitchen roll we went through with all the cleaning up. It takes time and now having three dogs I realise all of them are different so there really is no definite set time for him being house trained, I think.

I was just wondering, in one of the pics when you are in the house he's in his crate. Does he need to be in then? ( or is that just a cushion??!)
I think if it was me I'd have him out and about when we were inthe house and crate him if we were out. But the crate experts will know better.

He's still just a tiny wee thing and I'm sure it'll all come right.
I remember when we got our first dog and took him home and we were all on our own with him I thought I would cry!! it was all very scarey.
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